Cox, Charter merging?

[John2021]

I pay $160/mo for Cox, 1gbps down 35m up. $50 of that is for unlimited data. We legit (no torrents or other illicit stuff) use 4tb/mo in data.

Cox is running fiber in the neighborhood though, and the techs said ATT's fiber usually becomes available shortly after as well, and they're also doing the Google Fiber installs that have just started in the valley.

Finally... some options... maybe one day.

we pay 45.00 for charters gig service for three years once we threated to cancel and goto a fiber provider

 

[osu1991]

we pay 45.00 for charters gig service for three years once we threated to cancel and goto a fiber provider

Gotta have another provider to be able to do that. My sister in law has been bugging me the last week about her cox service.. Got a new router and speeds still slow in her opinion. Varies between 280 and 600 with docsis gig service, but always gets the full 100 down. Cox told her she needed a new modem and one of theirs would fix it.( I put an end to that nonsense). She has a nice docsis 3.1 modem already. Told her it's just congestion and nothing she can do about it other than complain and waste her time and cox by requesting a tech. Cox is the only provider in her neighborhood. She's thought about trying starlink, I told her she'll pay the same and end up with the same or slower speeds.

 

[harshness]

She has a nice docsis 3.1 modem already.

A lot of people think that. The problem is that it isn't necessarily true.

A few of the early DOCSIS 3.1 32x8 routers had two gigabit outputs which meant that they could only offer ~930Mbps to most conventional routers that feature only a single WAN port. To get full DOCSIS 3.1 speed with most consumer routers (that feature only one WAN port), you need a modem with a multi-gig output and a router with a multi-gig input (or a gateway similarly outfitted).

 

[EarDemon]

Wow! That's a lot. I have the Gigabit plan with Spectrum and am paying $100.00.

It is $100 for 1 Gbps, that's the rack rate nationwide.

If someone is paying $148 they are most likely on the original SPP plan from when gigabit first became available in 2017/2018.

The price in 2025 is $80 for 500 x 20 or $100 for 1000 x 35. If you are in a high split area you will have symmetrical speeds. Gigabit never had a 20 Mbps upload, it was always 35, maxing out at 40 with the over provision.

If you are paying anymore than $80 or $100 for internet service you should call up and be placed on the new pricing structure.

 

[John2021]

It is $100 for 1 Gbps, that's the rack rate nationwide.

If someone is paying $148 they are most likely on the original SPP plan from when gigabit first became available in 2017/2018.

The price in 2025 is $80 for 500 x 20 or $100 for 1000 x 35. If you are in a high split area you will have symmetrical speeds. Gigabit never had a 20 Mbps upload, it was always 35, maxing out at 40 with the over provision.

If you are paying anymore than $80 or $100 for internet service you should call up and be placed on the new pricing structure.

does that include the 50.00 fee for unlimited. thats rack rate for cox to

 

[EarDemon]

There is no such thing as $50 for unlimited with Charter, there are no data caps.

 

[comfortably_numb]

If anyone is looking for an alternative for a provider without data caps, I've had AT&T Air (5G home internet) since September and it's solid as a rock. $60.70 per month with autopay, speeds consistently 350/50. And that is on 5G, our tower doesn't have 5G+ yet. So your speeds might be even better. The only drawback is you don't get a local IP, mine is generally Chicago, Las Vegas or Los Angeles.

I've used about 145 GB just this week.

 

[EarDemon]

Being behind CG NAT is a huge disadvantage if you are a networking geek.

AT&T's home 5G service is not available for sale in NY State, because this state sucks.

AT&T Is Stopping Its 5G Internet Air Service in NY Because of New Broadband Law

A new affordable broadband law in the Empire State has led to AT&T dropping its 5G home internet product entirely.

www.cnet.com

 

[harshness]

Being behind CG NAT is a huge disadvantage if you are a networking geek.

I used to think that before Tailscale, but I can't remember the last time I cared about my IP address or DDNS.

 

[VictoriaFTA]

Charter has a lot more fiber and 5G competition in their footprints than Cox. It would make no sense for them to implement data caps. Fixed wireless 5G Internet sucks but I would definitely go with it over a cable connection if the cable connection had a data cap. That's a good way for them to make themselves into the new DSL -- aka the provider of 'last resort' when you can't get fiber or wireless.

 

[harshness]

Charter has a lot more fiber and 5G competition in their footprints than Cox.

I think that may be a regional thing. In Oregon, most of the Spectrum service areas are the smaller towns and bergs that don't have a lot of options.

 

[ncted]

It is $100 for 1 Gbps, that's the rack rate nationwide.

If someone is paying $148 they are most likely on the original SPP plan from when gigabit first became available in 2017/2018.

The price in 2025 is $80 for 500 x 20 or $100 for 1000 x 35. If you are in a high split area you will have symmetrical speeds. Gigabit never had a 20 Mbps upload, it was always 35, maxing out at 40 with the over provision.

If you are paying anymore than $80 or $100 for internet service you should call up and be placed on the new pricing structure.

According to Spectrum.com, the upload for Gig should be 40:

Speeds Provided with Plan

• Typical Download Speed 1036 Mbps
• Typical Upload Speed 40 Mbps
• Typical Latency 20 ms

 

[EarDemon]

Yes, the typical upload speed is 40 Mbps because of the 20% over provision. 20% of 35 is 7. 7 + 35 is 42, 42 minus the TCP/IP overhead gives you roughly 40. The marketed upload speed is 35 Mbps.

They list the typical download speed as 1036, even though the vast majority of people out there are limited either by their modems 1 Gbps port or 1 Gbps port on a router, switch or NIC and won't see significantly more than 940. I have one of the modems with a 2.5 Gb Ethernet port and when connected to my 10 Gb NIC I top out at 1180 Mbps down, as the download is provisioned at 1200 Mbps, 20% over 1000.

 

[comfortably_numb]

I have one of the modems with a 2.5 Gb Ethernet port

My ATT Air modem has a 10 GB ethernet port, although I seriously doubt we'll ever see those speeds over wireless in my lifetime!

 

[EarDemon]

That's not a modem, it's a gateway.

I would image the biggest advantage of the 10 Gb LAN port, is to connect it to a switch or a real router that has 10 Gb Ethernet ports so you're LAN is 10 Gb. Typically with these devices you can't put them into bridge or IP pass through mode, not sure if the same holds true for the CGW450 or not. If so, using a real router would be a result in being double NAT'd while already being behind CG NAT. Not good. Everything I see has the CGW450 as being sub 6 only, so no mmWave support. Without mmWave you'll never get anywhere close to 10 Gb over cellular

 

[comfortably_numb]

Typically with these devices you can't put them into bridge or IP pass through mode, not sure if the same holds true for the CGW450

Yes, you can bridge this device, but I haven't. I'm moving this weekend so it's going back to ATT anyway. For me, this has been an improvement over the 50/10 DSL we used to have here in town which was the only option (except for expensive WISP).

 

[John2021]

There is no such thing as $50 for unlimited with Charter, there are no data caps.

we threatened to cancel and leave for fiber!!! that made the rep sweat a little after he said he couldn't compete with the offer our fiber provider was offering he told me to hold on and worked something out... they have never throttled us or charged us per gig or told us we had to pay more for unlimited!!! it's always been a flat rate wich is cheaper than cox!!!

 

[John2021]

i think cox is getting the hell out of it while they can!!! they see where things are going...

 

[harshness]

i think cox is getting the hell out of it while they can!!! they see where things are going...

It isn't a sell-off as much as a takeover.

 

[osu1991]

Cox is losing so many docsis and fiber customers in my neighborhood to new Kinetic fiber. Bad part is Kinetic put their pedestal in my back yard. I now have 3 fiber lines hanging over my fence from other homes, waiting to be buried. It's been too wet for the dig crews to come in. Over 20 inches of rain the last 2 months. That's more than half our normal yearly total in just 60 days. There is a large pool of water around that pedestal from all the digging they've done through that area this year.