10 foot mesh flat deck mount

[mr3p]

Looking for a NonPen flat deck mount for a 10 foot mesh dish. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks.

 

[phlatwound]

Here is one source for new:

https://www.bairdmounts.com/

Might be tough finding a used one, you are going to need a pretty good-sized mount to hold a 10 footer.

 

[KE4EST]

Here is one source for new:

https://www.bairdmounts.com/

Might be tough finding a used one, you are going to need a pretty good-sized mount to hold a 10 footer.

That was the same place I found. I looked around at other places, but didn't find anything promising on a quick search.

 

[phlatwound]

That was the same place I found. I looked around at other places, but didn't find anything promising on a quick search.

Yeh, I remembered that outfit because someone from the company used to post here occasionally...Username "Baird Mounts" I think.

 

[FaT Air]

A likely alternative: Make yourself a 'floating slab' mount. 2x6's for the form on top of a sheet of poly. (especially, if you plan on moving it) approx 4 ft x 6 ft.see details in the first 3 pics here : USS Steel BUD

 

[Titanium]

Baird, Rohn, Commscope and several others have many NPRM options. Be sure to also investigate the pads, safety tethers, ballast and be prepared for a hefty price tag.

Usually several local business will have an unused NPRM that is free for the asking and cost of removal. What costs thousands of dollars new is usually free if you confidently approach prepared with a professional removal plan. You should hire a boom truck to avoid the traffic across the roof and insurance issues. Remove the equipment quickly and with minimal impact to the facility.

Make contact with a crane operator before you need the service so you know the cost and lifting / delivery services they can provide. Most businesses will not allow a non-tradesman or uninsured person on their roof. They are unlikely to want disassembly and roping parts down to the ground. Most would rather leave dishes on the roof than be bothered with any hassle for removal.

Ballast removal may be the biggest hassle of removing a NPRM. Crane operators often can provide a bucket or sling to move loose materials. Be prepared to walk away from a find if the removal will damage the roof. Often NPRMs have sealant applied over the years and I would walk away from a NPRM knowing in advance that removal would necessitate a repair. Be prepared to address any damage that might occur during removal. I usually will be in contact with the building management in advance to know who to contact in case of any issue and assure them that I will not remove if it will cause any roof or structural problems.

Check with shut-down auto dealerships, traders, brokers, churches, roofers, etc. Often a commercial real estate agent will be your best friend if you reward them with a finders fee or gift certificate for providing a contact or negotiating a removal.




Brian Gohl
Titanium Satellite

 

[RT-Cat]

......Make contact with a crane operator before you need the service so you know the cost and lifting / delivery services they can provide. Most businesses will not allow a non-tradesman or uninsured person on their roof. They are unlikely to want disassembly and roping parts down to the ground. Most would rather leave dishes on the roof than be bothered with any hassle for removal.

Brian hit that right on the head. That is why I can't get a BIG Prodelin off an Edward Jones business building.

 

[truckracer]

You could build one out of steel stock and a welder if you have one. Find a buddy that welds and go to a scrap yard or steel supply house and get some channel.


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[mr3p]

thanks all for the suggestions. I'd love to pick one up from a dish parked up on a roof not in use but don't have a crane or good way to remove it other than manual disassembly which isn't practical. I do have a friend with welding skills and thought about fabricating my own. Anyone have a good set of plans to copy? Baird mounts are nice but expensive, best price I found was ~1500

 

[FaT Air]

No plans that I'm aware of. But should be able to copy from a picture, (All over the i-net)
I'd go with 3 horizontal legs about 8 ft long with a tray at the outer end to hold the ballast. Lots of it. ~500lbs each leg. My slab is about 1.2 ton. Think I'd want at least 3 inch O.D. round or 2x4 rectangular for the legs. And an adjustable pole at the center, like my floating slab mount.
Geez - more thinkin about it and the $1500 isn't 'out of the park'. But think the shipping w(c)ould kill it.

 

[Corrado]

This type of mount would certainly hold a 10' dish if you can find one for salvaging.

I disassembled this Prodelin myself several years ago and 2 friends and I loaded everything in my truck. The concrete blocks fell apart when they were touched. It took longer to sweep up the mess into 5 gallon buckets than it did to take the dish and NPRM apart.

 

[richyrich]

Another way is to erect your own. You will some angle iron of hq galv. Sched. 40 and a galv. sched. 40 pipe of the correct size for the dish. An arc welder. Or put it together using a bolt patterned of side mounting. Easy, no; but compared to paying for pre-patterned materials; pennies on the dollar. You can also tri-pod a corner; and if the deck is covered; put three pads to hold it outside the deck. The problem lies in wind resistance, where a 10 footer has to adhere to 10000 lbs. of force rule at a 100 mph wind. Even smaller windspeeds have a lot of force (like soft money) and really it must be strong and statically mounted no matter what . Can the deck hold it down? Usually yes; but decks are usually not static to the home. Can the decking and structure hold the weights and extra pressures of the dish? Better to drill a hole through the deck larger than the pipe and take a pipe to the ground; where you can put 4 barrels filled with on top of the "roof mount" allowing it to be held to the ground (and only need a plank to replace when you take it down). And when they have a real fiber to each home they'll allow you to have each channel you watch to be just as wide a bandwidth too; you will not need it!

 

[mr3p]

I wish I could run a pole down to the ground but its not really an option. The deck is a part of the roof and is fairly protected by wind on two sides by a normal elevated roof but you are correct about weight. I'm in LA where the weather tends to be not a big issue although I'll probably run it by a friend who is a structural engineer to verify weight. I was hoping to find something similar to a Baird PL2

https://www.bairdmounts.com/documents/support/Baird_PL2_1_Tray_NonPenetrating_Sat_CE564C06368D8.pdf

 

[RT-Cat]

Brian hit that right on the head. That is why I can't get a BIG Prodelin off an Edward Jones business building.

And sad to say that Jones place closed and the dish is gone........:cry:

 

[richyrich]

many as you can afford

I also have a solid 9.5 ft. birdview with old horizon to horizon mount; which can be yours if the price is right. Re-hab is neccessary! And a 10 foot Laser Alum. in 4 panels needs the same, if the price is right!

 

[Baird Mounts]

Another way is to erect your own. You will some angle iron of hq galv. Sched. 40 and a galv. sched. 40 pipe of the correct size for the dish. An arc welder. Or put it together using a bolt patterned of side mounting. Easy, no; but compared to paying for pre-patterned materials; pennies on the dollar. You can also tri-pod a corner; and if the deck is covered; put three pads to hold it outside the deck. The problem lies in wind resistance, where a 10 footer has to adhere to 10000 lbs. of force rule at a 100 mph wind. Even smaller windspeeds have a lot of force (like soft money) and really it must be strong and statically mounted no matter what . Can the deck hold it down? Usually yes; but decks are usually not static to the home. Can the decking and structure hold the weights and extra pressures of the dish? Better to drill a hole through the deck larger than the pipe and take a pipe to the ground; where you can put 4 barrels filled with on top of the "roof mount" allowing it to be held to the ground (and only need a plank to replace when you take it down). And when they have a real fiber to each home they'll allow you to have each channel you watch to be just as wide a bandwidth too; you will not need it!

DO NOT weld galvanized material. It is very very caustic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_fume_fever

 

[Baird Mounts]

I wish I could run a pole down to the ground but its not really an option. The deck is a part of the roof and is fairly protected by wind on two sides by a normal elevated roof but you are correct about weight. I'm in LA where the weather tends to be not a big issue although I'll probably run it by a friend who is a structural engineer to verify weight. I was hoping to find something similar to a Baird PL2

https://www.bairdmounts.com/documents/support/Baird_PL2_1_Tray_NonPenetrating_Sat_CE564C06368D8.pdf

Wind speeds in LA are around the 90mph range when looking at a Ballast calculation. Also it doesn't matter how "protected" the dish is, ballast calculations don't take the protection into account.