Newscorp Buys Into YES Network

[JimWH]

I see Newscorp has acquired a piece of YES. Do you think that they will apply their clout to get DISH to carry it again?

 

[The Fat Man]

Dish never carried it. If there is any time it will come up that will be contract time. The Fox Sports RSNs were restored 2 years ago, so that will be a long wait.

 

[Tampa8]

Probably not.

http://www.rapidtvnews.com/index.php/25079/news-corp-says-yes-to-the-new-york-yankees.html

"YES is planning to raise the $2.99 monthly fee per subscriber it currently charges cable and satellite operators for carriage fees, Reuters noted" I'm sure that will make Dish carry them.


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[HDRoberts]

I thought this issue was not cost per sub per se, but YES insisting it be 24/7 HD and given to lowest tier subs.

 

[Claude Greiner]

If anything, newscorp owning them makes it less likely that Dish will ever carry YES.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

I would say more likely. Dish has had a much better relationship with news corp then directv did when they owned them.

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[dare2be]

Alright, more channel ownership conglomeration.

 

[Tampa8]

I would say more likely. Dish has had a much better relationship with news corp then directv did when they owned them.

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Scott, good point. If you mean Newscorp will negotiate some of what made Dish not carry YES to begin with, then yes.

 

[Claude Greiner]

I think Rupert is still out there to screw over Charlie.

 

[Deadlocked]

With BTN going to be in the NY local RSN category I think Dish may start thinking about gaining/regaining the other NY RSNs

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

I think Rupert is still out there to screw over Charlie.

Rupert is no longer at Newscorp.

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[mike123abc]

YES will probably be forced bundled in with the Fox Sports RSNs now. I expect Dish would pick them up if FOX drops the AT120 demand that YES has wanted.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Mike what you said is what I expect them to do.


This is good because Joe Clayton is a huge Yankees fan.

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[HanoverPretzel]

I hate the Yankees and I hate News Corp (Parent company of FOX News), so, in my universe, this match makes a perverse sort of sense. It's like one of those special comic books where all the super-villians team up with each other to wreck havoc on the universe. Personally, I wish them both nothing but bad.

Having said that, putting myself in the shoes of a New York sports fan living in the New York area, it would be hard to see subscribing to Dish in that type of situation. I wouldn't care about the behind the scenes dynamics, I'd just not want to put up a good chunk of money every month and not get to watch my teams. I'd go to cable, Directv, FIOS (if available), or even nothing sooner than accept that scenario. It's got to be costing Dish a lot of customers up there. They can't even be the provider for Mets fans, because they don't carry the channel that shows that team either.

Even sitting here in a different area as a fan of local teams who's networks Dish does carry, seeing what keeps happening with with Dish and RSNs will make it hard for me to enter into another two-year contract with them. Making that commitment knowing that I could have the programming I'm paying for yanked at any time and still have to pay (Thus preventing me from switching and seeing my teams on cable) is a tough pill to swallow. Since Dish refused to give me HD equipment and free HD for life when I signed up due to not liking the results of a credit check, it puts me in a double bind, because I'm not going to want to sit here with SD service forever, and they'll probably want an equipment charge plus a new contractual commitment to upgrade- or I can switch to cable at some point and get free HD equipment with no credit check, no commitment, and a promotional rate.

Not something I'll be doing tomorrow, but in the long run, it seems like Dish doesn't seem to worry much about retaining certain classes of customers. Sports fans? Eh (Even though cable generally does a good job with keeping RSNs on the air). People who don't have great credit (Sometimes just because they can't *get* credit to establish it, and not because they don't pay everything on-time)? Meh (Even though cable will have an offer for you). People who don't want to sign a contract? Fine if you want to pay for your own equipment and not get any promotional rate breaks (Even though cable will provide equipment and a rate break).

I don't know, just seems like Dish could do better in some areas (As could cable in other areas).

 

[Tampa8]

So to sum up, you are mad at Dish, whatever they do because you have (or had) bad credit. Got it.
I can pay less at one car dealer with good credit. Or - I can go to the dealer that lets me buy the car no matter the credit, and pay more for less of a car. That's what Cable offers in most/many instances more cost often with less offered, either in channels or equipment, etc so anyone can get it. Plus they can come directly to your house and retrieve equipment if needed. Harder for Dish or Direct to that. And isn't the NY market the only one that lost RSN's?

 

[Sean Mota]

I think I maybe one of those in NYC that remained with dish despite losing locals rsn for both Mets and Yankees. I rationalize this differently. Professional sports franchise are out of control. their prices are insane to go and watch a baseball game. I do not blame dish. I have used the time to do something else. I will welcome them if dish can get them but I won't go crazy either way.

 

[Peter Parker]

Rupert is no longer at Newscorp.

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Newscorp is still controlled by the Murdoch family. Back in Jne they announced that the original company would be split in two with the publishing properties in a separrte company but the family still controls the voting stock in each and Rupert is the chairman of each and CEO of the satellite/entertainment company.

 

[HanoverPretzel]

So to sum up, you are mad at Dish, whatever they do because you have (or had) bad credit. Got it.

Nope. I disagree with Dish's discriminatory practices when it comes to people's credit and consider it a net negative for Dish relative to cable. I believe I also mentioned not liking contractual lock-in, channel drops, and the New York Yankees.

What I would like to see is a government mandate that bans credit checks as prerequisites for any transaction with a net value of under $1,000. It's one thing to do it when people are buying a house or a car, which has been done a long time, but only in recent years has it spread to stuff like monthly television or telephone service. Heck, some electric companies now force people to put down large deposits to get electricity- which should *really* be illegal, since electric is pretty much necessary in the modern world, especially in climates that are very hot or very cold.

I'd also like to see a ban on companies advertising things like "Free HD for Life", "Free Installation", and so on and so forth, with a little tiny disclaimer in itty bitty letters that some people might not qualify. I'd basically say you can't advertise anything you won't give everyone. If you're going to charge some people a $99 installation fee, then the ad should say "$99 installation fee!". If you're going to charge some people for HD equipment, your ad should say "Service available in glittering standard definition! HD available for an extra fee.". Make these companies choose between advertising the lowest quality deal they stick people with or changing their policies so everyone qualifies for their best offers.

And isn't the NY market the only one that lost RSN's?

I think there are some other areas that are without one or more RSN.

I can tell you I personally lost the Big 10 Network (Which I suppose might be considered an RSN) for a week or two, as did customers across large multi-state region. Wasn't a big deal for me, because I'm a Maryland fan, which is a member of the ACC. However, now that Maryland has announced that it's joining the Big 10 in 2014, the network will take on a greater importance for me in the future. If Dish drops them again in 2014 or beyond, I'd probably be forced to drop Dish if I'm still with them at that point.

 

[HanoverPretzel]

Someone asked about markets other than NY where Dish isn't carrying one or more RSNs. A thread just popped up about one- Los Angeles. Dish customers who want to see Lakers games this season are out of luck. I don't think that's the only other market where that's the case, though. Buffalo is missing at least one RSN, if I recall correctly. I'm sure someone here can chime in with a comprehensive list.

 

[mike123abc]

Nope. I disagree with Dish's discriminatory practices when it comes to people's credit and consider it a net negative for Dish relative to cable. I believe I also mentioned not liking contractual lock-in, channel drops, and the New York Yankees.

What I would like to see is a government mandate that bans credit checks as prerequisites for any transaction with a net value of under $1,000. It's one thing to do it when people are buying a house or a car, which has been done a long time, but only in recent years has it spread to stuff like monthly television or telephone service. Heck, some electric companies now force people to put down large deposits to get electricity- which should *really* be illegal, since electric is pretty much necessary in the modern world, especially in climates that are very hot or very cold.

Why should Dish (or any company) be forced to risk its equipment at a consumer's house if there is a chance it might lose it all? That is why the credit check is important. If you have bad credit you can still get Dish if you buy your equipment up front and prepay for your Dish service.

Utility deposits have been around for decades. This is not a new thing.